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Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.08 16:24:04 -
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I would guess they're scared so stiff of the pathogen that no one wants to crack open the bubble and deliver the food. Kyonoke has borderline mystical reputation at this point.
Edit: Oh dear, someone beat me to my point five minutes ago! |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.08 17:02:31 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Uh ... maybe kind of, but I think you're playing it in terms of people's motivations rather than the reasons.
One thing I'd like to respectfully mention, Ms. Sung: talking about something like "mystical reputation" makes it sound like an urban legend. It isn't one. It's a real thing with really anomalous and scary characteristics, including breaching environment suits. It's already bypassed a couple smaller-scale quarantines on its way to our current apparently-stable situation.
It's pretty important not to understate how deadly this stuff is. At this point, arguments based in dispassionate threat analysis can be hard to distinguish from arguments founded in irrational fear and panic. Given places like the Federation where public sentiment can have a lot of sway over the course of events, it's going to be a little important to control public perceptions.
If they start to think the threat's being overstated and the authorities are being needlessly cruel out of cowardice ... well. We're already maybe seeing a little of what will happen.
I just meant in the sense that you brought up the notion of "Maybe it would be a bad idea to open the doors even for a minute", as an explanation re: the apparent starving of the city population, which other people seemed to be overlooking. You did frame it as logical rather than emotional, though I'll comment I never said it was an unjust state of terror!
Neither did I say that said mystical reputation was unfairly earned. Hopefully anyone reading didn't take me as downplaying the legitimately (at present) inexplicable properties of the pathogen, and the threat it represents.
However, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the plague has sort of come to be viewed as a sort of unstoppable, pseudo-divine force like a pandemic of yore, and not a problem to be reasonably solved. Which is stupid. It isn't a problem yet, but excessive caution in dealing with it could eventually become crippling. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:56:03 -
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I was reading Nauplius's post and getting excited to cite it as an example of what I was talking about yesterday, but then I got to the end and now am not sure quite what to think. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:03:41 -
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Nauplius wrote:Ms. Jenneth GÇö
Please provide a translation for this latest spell; while I can feel the occult rhythm phrases like "... ... ... okay", I do need to know which Achuran spirit is being summoned by such incantations. Also, I don't know why you think I would want a tritanium mine on New Caldari. While my Mehatoor system home is rather poor in asteroid fields, it still contains enough Veldspar to produce frigates and destroyers, which are all I really need. I also don't understand your need for leftover soup; in my tradition, the liquids used in occult operations tend to be blood or holy water, and I rather think your people's use of leftover soup instead would constitute a significant downgrade of spiritual potential, unless you've somehow preserved partial knowledge of a deeply primordial rite that used such soup.
Mr. Nauplius/Whatever your last name is if that isn't it, I can't pretend to know you well, but you're doing like, a bit, right? Not to say you haven't killed a lot of people or what-have-you - I've heard enough about that - But this is just a farce to dress the whole thing up. You can't say things like this and expect people to believe you're a real human being.
Come on, fess up. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.10 15:48:18 -
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I think I have to lean towards Miz's opinion. I've met both really stupid and properly insane people, and they're just not like this. Schizophrenics and other people who suffer from other forms of psychosis have messy, unfocused, and distinctly unamusing delusions and obsessions that they often even struggle to express with consistency. And even then they still know what the word "okay" means. He's far too perfectly ridiculous.
I'd guess he's just a run of the mill sociopath enjoying testing the limits of your credence. It doesn't work to deprive people like that of attention unless you keep it up even while they're doing bad things. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.13 05:57:47 -
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It's quite remarkable how willingly the Caldari are relenting the moral high ground and control of public opinion to the Federation, even at their own expense. People over here have no problem believing the idea that the State's leaders would be cold-hearted enough to write off the entire cities population as if they were just dysfunctional tools, but as Ms. Priano suggests, it's hard not attempting any communication with those within the quarantined zone as anything other than poor PR. Rather then cruel or pragmatic, it just appears stupid.
I'd have to guess there's something going on inside they'd rather never sees the light of day. But who knows? Maybe they're afraid it can spread by fluid router, too. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.13 07:45:32 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:The State's actually pretty hostile to the idea that it needs to care what outsiders think. Public opinion in the Federation is worth less than nothing to Patriot leaders in particular. They see nothing there that any Caldari should ever listen to.
Internal public opinion's another matter. Recent history's a bit of a reminder: the elite serve the Caldari as a whole or become expendable. The megas ignore internal popular sentiment at their peril, so, yeah. It seems like that they're concerned about some effect more communication and transparency might have.
Oh, I'm aware of that. I suppose I was mentioning how it will be perceived in the Federation to contrast with the more tenuous matter of internal opinion. That is, people will leap at any reason to call the Caldari barbarians here, but if it's having such an effect even within the State, then making such an error is remarkable.
Aria Jenneth wrote:(Have Federal officials been allowing comms into and out of their own quarantine zone?)
I think you have the wrong idea of me, Ms. Jenneth. I'm perfectly aware of the hypocrisy.
But the Senate and the press are managing the crisis very well. No ones even talking about the one over here in either country. Don't you think? |
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